سؤال و جواب عن الفرق بين should و would ?

[راجي خير]

تعميما للفائدة اردت و ضع هذا الجواب تحت هذا العنوان ليكون في متناول الجميع

سؤال

unit 10 lesson 3


grammar


Ask about appropriateness

Should I

Would I have to


مالفرق بينهما من حيث الاستخدام ؟ أم أن لهما نفس المعنى وأستخدمهم بنفس الطريقة للسؤال عن الملائمة؟


وبعدين صفحة 9 في الوورك بوك.


مطلوب الربط بين العمودين باستخدام الموجود بالأسفل.

You probably would / wouldn’t have to


You defiantly should /shouldn't



أعلم ان الحل موجود في كتاب المعلم,ولكن سؤالي عن كيفية الاستخدام وكيف أشرحها للبنات.


يعني هم أساسا وش دراهم عن التقاليد أو العادات الموجودة في هذه الدول.


ومالفرق بين

shouldn't
wouldn’t have to
لو كنت متأكدة أن الشي غير معمول به في البلاد.

وكذا لو كنت متأكدة ليه مرة أستخدم

You probably would

you defiantly should
وأحيانا بعد

فقط should

وفي الفقرة الأخيرة can وهي مش موجودة أساسا

يعني مدري كيف نشرح للبنات ونخليهم يستخدمون عبقريتهم.


أتمنى تساعدوني لأني أحب أوضح مش فقط أحل للبنات.

الجواب



اولا: تسمى هذه القاعدة :Modal Verbs of Probability
وهي عشرة افعال ناقصة
can could
may might
shall should
will would
must ought to

.................
ثانيا: تنقسم بحسب الزمن الى ماضي و مضارع و مستقبل

ثالثا: لكل واحد منها استخدام او اكثر حسب قصد المتكلم

يعني قاعدة معقدة فعلا. وتحتاج الى عرض جيد وتدرج في العرض وهذا لم يحدث في الكتاب بل عرضت عرضا سيئا جدا كباقي القواعد. مع العلم اني ارى انها قاعدة دقيقة في الفهم وكان من الأولى شرح القواعد الأهم.

هذه مقدمة لابد منها و عفوا للاطالة.

الجواب الأول :
الفرق بين would و should في السؤال ( لان لهما معاني مختلفة في الجملة )


should = When used in questions, should asks if an obligation exists.
لسؤال هل يجب علي فعل ذلك.............?
would = if an obligation exists with a polite request
صيغة مؤدبة لسؤال هل يجب علي فعل ذلك.............?

( الصيغتان لسؤال هل يجب علي فعل ذلك .......؟ لكن would صيغة مؤدبة .)

علما ان لهما في السؤال معاني اخرى لكن الكتاب اراد شرح عندما يكونان بصيغة الاجبار و الالزام فقط (obligation expressing )

جواب السؤال الثاني عن الوورك بوك صفحة 9:

1- بالنسبة كيف تعرفين العادات بالبحث و التقصي ( هم يريدون الطلاب يبحثون عن عادات الدول هاذي )
2- هنا would في الجملة تستخدم عنما تكوني غير متأكدة من هاذي العادة.
و should اذا كنتي متأكدة .

تنبيه مهم متى نستخدم احد هذه الأفعال الناقصة ؟
حسب النية المتكلم التي يريد التعبير عنها.

اذا كنت متأكد تقول should
اذا ما كنت متأكد تقول would يعني هي تعتمد على نية المتكلم وهذا شيء مهم جدا.

فلو كنت متأكد فسوف اضع should لها جميعا............ او would اذا كنت ماني متأكد من هاذي العادة.

3- بالنسبة لcan لهاعدة معاني في الجملة 1- لتعبير عن الاستطاعة مثل: .Tom can help you
2- لتعبير عن الاحتمالية و الامكانية ( مثل would ) مثل Wild animals can be dangerous
اي ان استخدامها يعتمد على نية المتكلم وش يبغى يقول .

3- هذا التمرين راح اقول لطلاب يستخدمو مع العادات الي يعرفوها و متأكدين منها should و يستخدمو مع العادات الي ما يعرفونها و ماهم متأكدين منها would

وهنالك العديد من التمارين المعقدة التي يجب ان نحذف بعضها و نعوض الطلاب بتمارين تحقق الهدف و لكن بأسلوب و اضح و سهل .


و زيادة للفائدة

English verbs ~ Modal verbs

Modal verbs, also called modal auxiliaries or simply modals, are a type of auxiliary verb or helping verb. English has ten modal verbs:

can could
may might
shall should
will would
must ought to

Modals express the mood a verb, such as ability, possibility, necessity, or another condition. They are used with a main verb to form a sentence or a question. Modals are not conjugated, have no tense, and cannot be used without a main verb.

When used with modal verbs (except ought), main verbs always remain in the infinitive without to.

In a statement the word order is subject + modal + main verb.

subject modal main verb
They can come.
Mike should walk.

In questions, the word order changes to modal + subject + main verb.

yes-no questions
modal subject main verb
Can they come?
Should Mike drive?

wh- questions
wh- word modal subject main verb
When can they come?
How could he know?


Can

The modal can indicates possibility or ability:

Tom can help you.
Wild animals can be dangerous.

Dining out can be costly.
In questions, the modal can requests permission to do something or to ask about possibilities:

Can I help you?
Can Mike come over for dinner?

Who can answer the next question?
When can we get back the results?


Could

Could indicates possibility or ability in the past:

I could have told you that.
It could have been a disaster.

When I was young, I could run very fast.

Could speculates about future posibilities. In the following examples could and might are synonomous.

It could / might rain tonight.

That could / might be dangerous.

In yes-no questions, could speculates about present posibilities:

Could she be the murderer?
Could this be a mistake?

It can also make a request. In these examples could and can are synonomous, but could is more polite.

Could / Can you open your window?
Could / Can you help me move this sofa?

Could indicates an option:

We could go see a movie.
I could become a doctor.

The modal could is also used to form the conditional. The conditional contains an if clause and a result clause. Could is placed in the result clause.

In these examples, could expresses hypothetical situations:

If I had time, I could play tennis with you.
We could study together, if you want to.

If it weren't raining, we could go on a picnic.
Could mentions something that didn't happen because a certain condition was not met:

If we had left sooner, we could have taken the train.
I could have passed the exam if I had studied more.

I'm glad we took umbrellas. We could have gotten soaked.

Shall and Will

The modals shall/will + main verb are used to create future tenses. These modals indicate an intention or an action that is expected to happen in the future.

When used in statements, there is no difference in meaning between these two modals; however, shall is rarely used in American English.

I will / shall close the door for you.
Tom will / shall meet us at the train station.

They will / shall leave tomorrow at 8:00.
In wh- questions, shall and will ask about options.

Who will / shall drive the car?
When will / shall I see you again?

How will / shall you get here?
What time will / shall we meet?

In yes-no questions, shall and will have different meanings.

Will asks a favor.

Will / Shall you turn off the TV?

Will / Shall you stop whining?

Will / Shall you go with me?

Will also asks for information or knowledge about somebody or something.

Will / Shall Tom ever pay you back?

Will / Shall Mars be visited by humans within twenty years?

Will / Shall you be finished soon?

Shall asks about a preference. In these examples, shall and should are synonomous. In American English, shall is rarely used; when it is, it's only in the first person singular and plural.

Should / Shall I close the door?
Should / Shall he close the door?

Should / Shall they come back later?

Should / Shall Tom bring food to the party?

Should / Shall we stay here?


May and Might

The modals may and might indicate an uncertain future action. These two modals are synonymous.

I may / might go to the park, or I may / might stay home.
This may / might be a bad idea.

It may / might rain tonight.
iMay or can gives instructions or permission.

You may / can now board the airplane.
You may / can begin the exam in ten minutes.

In yes-no questions that make a request, you can use may or can. May is more polite.

May / Can I see your driver's license?

May / Can we have some more water, please?

You can might in place of may or can, but this is extremely rare in American English.

May / Can / Might I be of some assistance?
May / Can / Might we offer you a suggestion?


Must

The modal must indicates an obligation.

You must see this movie.
Tom must see a doctor immediately.

Must also indicates an assumption or probability.

My watch must be broken.
He must have done that before moving to Spain.

In wh- questions, must is an obligation and can be replaced with the modal should. In American English, should is much more common in these types of questions.

When should / must we be there?
Who should / must I talk to?

Must can sometimes form rhetorical questions, when you want the person to stop doing something.

Must you make so much noise? = Please be quiet.

Must he ask so many questions? = I hope he stops asking questions.


Should and Ought (to)

The modals should and ought to indicate an obligation. These two modals are synonymous.

You should / ought to call your mother.
I should / ought to go home now.

When used in questions, should asks if an obligation exists. Ought is never used in questions in American English.

Should he call her?
Should we pay now?

When should we leave?
What should I wear?


Would

Would followed by like is a polite way of stating a preference.

I would like white wine with my fish.
We would like a room with a view.

In questions, would + subject + like is a polite request for a choice to be made.

Would you like soup or salad with your meal?
Where would you like to eat dinner?

When would Tom like this delivered?
Would can make a request sound more polite.

Come here! Would you come here?
Stop making that noise! Would you stop making that noise?

Would explains an action as a result of a supposed or real condition.

I would go with you if I didn't have to work.
If I had not had to work, I would have gone with you.

She would be surprised if you came to the party.

Tom would drive, but he doesn't have a license.

Would introduces habitual actions in the past.

When I was a student, I would go swimming every day.
When Tom lived in France, he would write me long letters.

[تووته]

الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على أشرف الخلق محمد وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين

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شرح وافي وكافي.

شكرا للجميع.

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جزاك الله خير

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مشكور ماشاء الله عليك

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أثابكم الله وجعل عملكم هذا في موازيين حسناتكم

[مشاعل الماسه]

الله يعطيك العافيه شرح وافي ومفيد

[الجوهـــــره]

الله يجزاك الجنه و والديك

[فنجال ودلة]

الف شكر ماتتخيل كيف محتااااااااجة لشرح هالقاعده

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[شدا الطير]

جزاك الله خيرا وسهل لك جميع امورك

[Rose24]

thanks alot

[سفيرة الاحزان]

يعطيك العافية .

[شمس و قمر]

مشكور جدا على الشرح الوافي

و لكن هذه القاعده ما تصلح انها تنحط في منهج الصف الثالث المتوسط لانها مربكه للطالبات

انا سويت نفس شرحك و مع ذلك البنات بالموت فهمو الفرق بينهم

و ترا هذه القاعده تعتمد كثير على مهارة التحدث

[starmoon]

thanks ....بارك الله فيك

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شكراً لك على هذه الكلمات الرائعة

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[أم جودي]

Many thanx for this effort
May Allah bless you

[shy-rose]

جزاك الله الجنة


شرح وافي

[SoOoOoNa]

الله يعطيك الف عافيه بصراحه تمنيت يكون عندي لو شويه من معرفتك ماشاء الله

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جزاك الله خير

[الام الكبيرة]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

جزاك الله خير

والله يعطيك العافية


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